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	<title>Comments on: On Getting a Bank Account</title>
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		<title>By: hougee</title>
		<link>http://kevnull.com/2003/07/on-getting-a-bank-account.html/comment-page-1#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>hougee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wahh.. sounds like customer service in the states! ahaha...</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://kevnull.com/2003/07/on-getting-a-bank-account.html/comment-page-1#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice...  how nice...  Don&#039;t people ever setup a feedback system in the beginning if you start a new policy?   At least you got a good blog material out of the experience..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice&#8230;  how nice&#8230;  Don&#8217;t people ever setup a feedback system in the beginning if you start a new policy?   At least you got a good blog material out of the experience..</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon J. Wilson</title>
		<link>http://kevnull.com/2003/07/on-getting-a-bank-account.html/comment-page-1#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon J. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t actually a new policy - it was like that in Ireland when I lived there in 2000, and in England in 1996. That line about it being due to &quot;heightened security&quot; is a total lie. And it&#039;s not just banks that require a paid bill, it&#039;s everyone. Try getting a video card without a paid utility bill, for example. It&#039;s impossible.

Besides being stupid, inefficient, and a really good way to convince people not to do business in your country, this is scary. Since when is a utility company a trusted authority for issuring identity credentials? Sure they know where you live, but really, that&#039;s about all they know. And if you don&#039;t actually live there, then the bank&#039;s screwed anyway. Welcome to the world security snakeoil - where people adopt solutions that are imperfect, short-sighted, insecure, and ultimately worse than the problem they seek to address.

What I wonder: Did this practice evolve due to the lack of a proper credit reporting structure in the UK or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t actually a new policy &#8211; it was like that in Ireland when I lived there in 2000, and in England in 1996. That line about it being due to &#8220;heightened security&#8221; is a total lie. And it&#8217;s not just banks that require a paid bill, it&#8217;s everyone. Try getting a video card without a paid utility bill, for example. It&#8217;s impossible.</p>
<p>Besides being stupid, inefficient, and a really good way to convince people not to do business in your country, this is scary. Since when is a utility company a trusted authority for issuring identity credentials? Sure they know where you live, but really, that&#8217;s about all they know. And if you don&#8217;t actually live there, then the bank&#8217;s screwed anyway. Welcome to the world security snakeoil &#8211; where people adopt solutions that are imperfect, short-sighted, insecure, and ultimately worse than the problem they seek to address.</p>
<p>What I wonder: Did this practice evolve due to the lack of a proper credit reporting structure in the UK or something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://kevnull.com/2003/07/on-getting-a-bank-account.html/comment-page-1#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of trying to get a mobile phone account here when I moved down to Cali.

I walk in, and they told me I needed a $500 deposit.  In USD.  (I personally have an issue with leaving that kind of deposit for almost anything.  They tell me it&#039;s because I am not American or some crap like that ... but they would accept my credit card as the form of payment.

Uh ... sorry?  You don&#039;t trust me, but you&#039;ll take a (potentially fraudulent) credit card as payment?  Wow, why don&#039;t I just write you a personal cheque instead??

Anyway, I eventually got out of the deposit idea by forcing them to check my Canadian credit record.  (Who knows if they actually did it, but then, who cares?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of trying to get a mobile phone account here when I moved down to Cali.</p>
<p>I walk in, and they told me I needed a $500 deposit.  In USD.  (I personally have an issue with leaving that kind of deposit for almost anything.  They tell me it&#8217;s because I am not American or some crap like that &#8230; but they would accept my credit card as the form of payment.</p>
<p>Uh &#8230; sorry?  You don&#8217;t trust me, but you&#8217;ll take a (potentially fraudulent) credit card as payment?  Wow, why don&#8217;t I just write you a personal cheque instead??</p>
<p>Anyway, I eventually got out of the deposit idea by forcing them to check my Canadian credit record.  (Who knows if they actually did it, but then, who cares?)</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://kevnull.com/2003/07/on-getting-a-bank-account.html/comment-page-1#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I just learned something new.</description>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://kevnull.com/2003/07/on-getting-a-bank-account.html/comment-page-1#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>made my tuesday. entertaining reading material.</description>
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		<title>By: making and breaking games</title>
		<link>http://kevnull.com/2003/07/on-getting-a-bank-account.html/comment-page-1#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>making and breaking games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Excise in games&lt;/strong&gt;

Kevin gives a great example of excise while trying to open a bank account.

Alan Cooper talks about Excise in Chapter 10 &quot;About Face 2.0&quot;.  Specifically, excise is all this junk you need to deal with while you&#039;re trying to get something else d...
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<p>Kevin gives a great example of excise while trying to open a bank account.</p>
<p>Alan Cooper talks about Excise in Chapter 10 &#8220;About Face 2.0&#8243;.  Specifically, excise is all this junk you need to deal with while you&#8217;re trying to get something else d&#8230;</p>
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